| You could argue the big 3 refers to a time in which 3 of the top 10 highest selling manga series all happened to have anime airing at the same time and were publishing manga at the same time, they all happened to be major battle shounen series, and also a cheeky reference to just the general size of the shows. So as a term it will always have a place of relevance. The issue with modern series is also that it would be more of a shounen scale than a title that could be taken due to the sheer amount released, the more split season format which would also cause a clear dispute over what series would define the current time period. (Also in terms of sheer popularity and sales One Piece, Dragon ball and technically Naruto pretty much destroy any competition and are still airing) |
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| No, part of being the Big 3 is their sheer length and OG status |
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The shônen branch used to consist of an oligarchy named The Big Three I thought it was common knowledge that the Shônen JUMP's top moving force was the duo Dragon Ball / Slam Dunk and that it never recovered from their loss based on industry numbers. Was it all a lie? More seriously, this Big Three thing is a stupid communication device for internet people. It has never been an actual thing, so what's the point of choosing the sucessor to an illusory system? (Also, this kind of thing can't be based on adaptations.) |
zieek said: The big three 1st (one upon a time) One Piece Bleach Naruto 2nd (taking their last breath) Gintama Fairy Tail Hunter x Hunter 2011 3rd (going strong) Boku no hero academia Black Clover Jojo Is how I see things, agree or agree to disagree. I actually kinda agree with this. I would say to remove JoJo and let one more battle shounen get adapted. Jojo is NOT fit for this category (I like JoJo BTW) |
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| We don't need to crown anything, it's pretty obvious One Piece is the uncontested king. Has been for a while too. |
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AobaSuzukaze said: Can't we just give it to "The Future Diary" for the hell of it, assuming mal still has ti tagged shounen? Honestly, the only one of the big three that has more members on here I believe, is still only the original naruto. Yes, yes, we should do that, Mirai Nikki is too cool, Yuno is best girl. |
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DejectedVessel said: One Punch Man is the only one fun to watch as an adult! As for the rest big 3 I'd leave those for runny nosed, spotty faced kids. one punch man isn't a battle shounen |
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| I really don't care about anything like top three anime or shounen king or stuff like that. Rankings are overrated in my opinion. |
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| The Big 3 are not relevant anymore tbh. Bleach ended in failure, Naruto ended somewhat succesfully and left a somewhat unliked successor behind. One Piece is still going and will be going for a long time. It's going to even surpass Superman and Batman in comic sales in a couple of years, mostly due to how much of a household name it is in Japan. Naruto onlu has slightly above half of the volume sales which One Piece has and it has ended. Boku no Hero Academia may challenge it in the future, but currently One Piece has no rivals. Westerners may not see just how big of a deal One Piece really is, since it's maketing in the west was a total flop compared to Naruto and Bleach. OP is carrying the spirit of Dragon Ball, but Dragon Ball itself didn't exactly do well with it's Super revival, so it can't compete with it's own successor. One Piece is King. Plain and simple. |
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Well, we all know they were very much relevant. So I think this comment is rather very irrelevant :) They pretty much paved the way for a generation that would create many manga that was very much alike, and that would adapt more and more manga into anime format. It had unquestionable effects to the popular culture around the globe. Yes we get it. "Muh shonens are such trash they can't be relevant, hue hue edgy". Bait and switch bait and switch. We played the game, we lost the game, took the bait and you got a meal. There you go, now go take a nap. GG. Comic_Sans said: Imagine caring this much about one of the worst anime genres Why do you care, then? |
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Malevolent-Fae said: Because I enjoy bashing things I dislikeWhy do you care, then? |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Krhm. Imagine caring this much about things you dislike. Am I doing this right? |
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Malevolent-Fae said: No, you need to work on your shitposting skills a littleKrhm. Imagine caring this much about things you dislike. Am I doing this right? |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| Oh, I'd rather Naruto and One Piece just die off so people would stop talking about them overrated shows. |
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| Ho could they not be dead if two of them are over? To be like the big three a shonen would have to be running currently airing with no end in sight and super popular. Only Boku No hero fulfills the criteria. |
| Bleach and Naruto aren't fucking relevant anymore. One Piece is, give it to One Piece it definitely deserves it but the BIG THREE is just a nostalgia phrase people think is cool still for some reason. Ericonator said: As Crunchyroll told us, Black Clover is the new king of shounen. I was literally going to bring this up. Crunchyroll rather lose BC then BNHA as a streaming necessity in a heartbeat, who were they kidding. AlphaDW said: If One Piece, Naruto and Bleach are the big 3, then Dragon Ball would be the god of shounens. Dragon Ball is the grandpa of Shounen aka did a lot of nice things but is very flawed and need to send him back to retirement before he breaks out again. CordobezEverdeen said: like BNHA (that is really good despite having such a massively generic script. Examples? |
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| Good luck trying to collectively get all anime fans to agree on the next big 3. I don't think we'll ever officially have another big 3. One Piece, Attack on Titan and Boku no Hero Academia would be what I would consider the next big 3 if we had to choose. Hunter x Hunter has spiked in popularity with the 2011 adaptation but the anime is done and the manga is frequently on hiatus so I don't think it qualifies even though it's my favourite anime. |
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| I'm not into popularity contests as to which franchise or IP "is the best". Popularity is an indicator of how appealing a series is, but appeal ≠ quality. Quality is subjective. Debating "who is the king" is just as pointless as debating "which is better: Star Wars or Star Trek". One Piece is the most popular shounen in the world, but you wouldn't hear me recommending it; it has far too many characters, the goal is too vague, the plot doesn't flow well, and I'm not a fan of the characters. It's consistently fun, but in a junk food kind of way to me. On the other hand, you can have series like Bleach, Naruto, and MHA, which are "okay" 90% of the time and AMAZING 10% of the time, with that 10% being so overwhelmingly good that I tend to forget about all of the "meh" episodes, bringing it up to around a 7 or an 8. |
| Bnha isnt "king" material. Db series, Ashita no Joe, and Hajime no Ippo are the actual big three and deserve it for being some of the best series all time. |
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| Naruto and One Piece is still relevant and popular but not the term 'Big three' itself. I don't think we need to crown any shounen as the next big three. One Piece isn't just a king either, its beyond royalty in shounen. |
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JuliusMP3 said: LOLOLOL says the guy who creates a thread we've seen millions of times!loolz said: The king is dead, long live the Queen ! loolz, i apologize but when you respond, please try to encourage discussion |
| Why do people care about the big 3 term? It was a term made up in the west back in the days when cable was relevant and you watch whatever comes on, and those so happen to be the longest running anime and the most popular and so they got the title. Pullman said: We don't need to crown anything, it's pretty obvious One Piece is the uncontested king. Has been for a while too. One piece is no king! It is still king in Japan in terms of manga sales yes, I wont deny that. But it is not the king in the west/new age of anime, it is still relevant yes, but most new fans wont get into it simple because of the length of the series and I heard another reason is because the art style looks too childish to them? Even base on mal one piece is rank 37 in terms of popularity, the fact is most new fans just wont get into a series with over 800 episode, we are in the age of internet where we are expose to anime easily and we have plenty of options to choose from, not to mention that with the internet anime fans are following the seasonal anime, simple to be apart of the current trend, so people just don't see any reason to get into one piece. Just can't consider one piece to be the king when most 2010+ anime fans don't even watch it. It is the last remaining of the big 3, and there wont be anymore big 3 with how things have change, so the big 3 title will remain for those series and that will never change, and I don't see any reason why we should have new big 3 anime. |
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Turtles_Hunter said: They never were relevant, but One piece is still the king. We all know how that goes. after fishman island, it was 60%, after dressrosa, it was 65%, and now it's 80%. It's not really linear. Then there was the time about 1 year ago when he said WCI would be finished in January. I think you have to take that about the important things that have been done, of global narrative or of the number of arc left, but not like a reference for the time it will still last. You could have 5% on 50 chapters, as you could have 1% depending of the situation. Oda always was very bad in assuming how long he would need for something. My personal guess is still at least 7 years, more likely 9 or 10. After Kaidou, there still should be at least 2 arc (the final war and the BB pirates), maybe more (OP need an erbaf arc, it will be a big deception if there isn't one, after how many times Erbaf was teased). keragamming said: Even base on mal one piece is rank 37 in terms of popularity, the fact is most new fans just wont get into a series with over 800 episode, we are in the age of internet where we are expose to anime easily and we have plenty of options to choose from, not to mention that with the internet anime fans are following the seasonal anime, simple to be apart of the current trend, so people just don't see any reason to get into one piece. Shonen is a manga term. You can't base your comparison on the anime, especially when a lot of fans find the anime not worth it. DB still has a special place though, but I think it's more because at the moment it aired in most countries (except US, that got it in mid 2000's), there was no internet and anime were heavily displayed on TV. Nowadays, it's not the case anymore. Neither One Piece nor Naruto had the possibility to become as successful, because anime were already very well implanted, and internet provided a lot more possibilities in term of divertissment. At the time of Dragon Ball, TV was the only way. Believe it or not, anime is a much more popular medium than manga, especially outside Japan. So your point is invalid. Rixzb said: One Piece is the King of Shonen. Full stop, bar none. Weather you like it or not, it's cultural influence and the sheer numbers of manga sold aren't really comparable to any other manga other than Dragon Ball.. As for the current big three I would say they are: Boku No Hero, One Punch Man and Attack on Titan. *If I was just basing this off the manga I would put Dr. Stone in Attack on Titan's spot. As the latter's manga seems to be stagnating in popularity. I'm personally not a huge fan of Attack on Titan and One Punch Man needs more seasons. Dr. Stone hasn't had an anime adaptation yet but it is high enough in the popularity polls that it won't be long before it does. What!? This comment is must bait, have you been following the manga sales for the past few years? Attack on titan has been consistently 2nd in manga sales only behind one piece, Dr. Stone isn't even in this argument. Attack on titan sales has decrease just like most series, since physical sales are dropping while digital sales is rising, which attack on titan has been dominating. Snk sells more than a 1 million per volume, does Dr. Stone even crack 100k? Volume? Not even boku no hero is a comparison to snk when it comes to manga sales, so I'm not sure how Dr. stone came into this equation. |
| Rankings don't mean shit. But i'd say One Piece is definitely on that list only due to its sales figures. |
| the so called big 3 have always been worthless useless redundant and irrelevant to me. I didnt waste time on any of those.... hell the 3 bigger ones, by fanbase / golbal appeal, reach for me are Pokemon/DB at #1 and the relatively younger FAIRYTAIL at 2. |
CordobezEverdeen said: I never understood the reasoning behind the big three. Shouldnt something like DBZ or Death Note be the true kings of anime? I swear whenever someone talks about anime those two fellas are the first and most talked about. I think that depend which country do you live. DBZ and Death Note definately a very good anime with a very big fan. But here in my country I doesn't heard a big fuzz about it. respond to TS: there's so much shounen anime I like so much, especialy HxH, I even rewatch the old version more than 10 times already. And I personaly want it to be one of the big three, but what can I do about it, the mass still love those 3 anime you stated. boku no hero and black clover, we can think both of it as a new generation of shounen anime. And I think there will be the time when the big three eventually dethrone, because the new born anime fan raising too, and they will have different point of view than us as well. |
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| @Turtles_Hunter Snk sold between 600 to 800k per volume before the anime, it was even outselling bleach in 2011. Not sure why you are telling me all this, I made sure to mention that one piece is the king when it comes to manga sales, because I know one piece fans are going to point out the obvious that it sold the most in Japan. Imo Naruto is the most popular/known anime in the big 3. There are more new anime fans than old anime fans, that is just how it is, most of the old fans either has stop following this medium or is just following a few series like one piece for example. That is why I say that one piece can't be called king when most of the current anime fans are not even following it. I'm not denying popularity, it is still very popular in the west, but the 2010 and beyond anime are the most talk about and are the most popular ones right now. Rixzb said: keragamming said: What!? This comment is must bait, have you been following the manga sales for the past few years? Attack on titan has been consistently 2nd in manga sales only behind one piece, Dr. Stone isn't even in this argument. Attack on titan sales has decrease just like most series, since physical sales are dropping while digital sales is rising, which attack on titan has been dominating. Snk sells more than a 1 million per volume, does Dr. Stone even crack 100k? Volume? Not even boku no hero is a comparison to snk when it comes to manga sales, so I'm not sure how Dr. stone came into this equation. I included Attack on Titan in that list for the exact reason you mentioned. I personally think that Attack on Titan's plot is stagnating similar to Bleach; and I should say, I'm a huge fan of Bleach. Dr. Stone is still very new but has been growing in popularity polls. I think it has a ton of potential. You're also correct in saying that the term "The Big Three" is a bit antiquated. But I think the question of what the three most popular big Shonen battle anime are is fun to entertain. To each their own, I personally think the manga has gotten better, it has become more darker, and much more mature and it has become a lot more grayer, like the fanbase are literally split because some are for or against a certain group. But I get what you are saying, it has change and with change some may not like the new direction. |
| I also kind of subscribe to the idea that the Big 3 is just sort of shorthand for a time period of Jump's readership. I don't think it means all that much outside of that context, aside from just acknowledging their sales figures. Which, even then, there's still plenty of manga that sell incredibly well outside of those (though of course One Piece really sits at the top always). |
| idk but one piece is my king (shounen king obviously) |
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| MHA is easily the best shonen of all time. Nothing can even come close to it, especially those mainstream loser anime. |
| the big three will always be the big three, we shouldn't dethrone them or give a new set of anime the title of big three or king of shounen. we should come up with a new name for whatever gets popular, and look back at the good old days of the big three like a legend also one piece is still and always will be the king of shounen ;) |
| Bleach, Naruto and One Piece are a lot better than BNHA |
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| The Shonen king is Dragon Ball, the only possible contender for the crown is One Piece, but with DB's more global appeal and the recent success of Super & the new movies, it should be clear DB is the king. BNHA & Black Clover are strong contenders be part of w/e the next generation series' equivalent of "The Big Three" is. In fact I'm almost certain they will be, I would include One Punch Man among these but with the uncertainty surrounding S2, I'll wait until that has aired to make any judgements on the series' longevity. I also think The Promised Neverland and Dr. Stone have potential, if they get popular anime series I could see them also being ranked up there. |
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alshu said: Ericonator said: As Crunchyroll told us, Black Clover is the new king of shounen. But the Crunchyroll Anime Awards were dominated by MHA. Also only battle shounen fans would care about bombastic titles like The Big Three or [Battle] Shounen King. This is like trying to interest an athletics sports fan in MMA. The thing about those goddamn awards is that it works with popularity, not actual quality. It's no surprise that Yuuri on Ice (highly popular) and MHA (also highly popular) dominated in their respective years. A lot of the public wouldn't watch more than a few, so would automatically go with what thy watched if they liked it, or nothing at all if they didn't. Basically: the way Crunchyroll does their awards is rather flawed in my opinion. But, then again... the 'big three' were based on what was mainstream as well, so might as well put it as MHA. If it were a few years ago, I'd probably be saying it was Attack on Titan. It certainly is one of the most popular 'regular' shounen currently. |
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JuliusMP3 said: Ericonator said: As Crunchyroll told us, Black Clover is the new king of shounen. But is it really, i mean with very promising anime like Boku No Hero, which already has 3 seasons and a fourth season in the works, opposed to Black Clover's 50 episode 1 season, Hero Aca has 3 seasons with 63 episodes, so i think Studio Bones is doing a really good job of making a candidate for Shounen King, don't you think so? you mean garbage hero? that pile of shit will never be called best shounen in any category |
| Defenitely, they're still very relevant, they brought thousands and thousands of new fans to the anime community, but yes, i think we should give some spaces to the new shounens (with quallity, of course...) |
| I feel like we could have a second smaller "big three" and boku no hero should def be number one in that~ Kinda like the golden trio and the silver trio in HP (if u get that reference idk) |
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