Tree of Life - Book 1 pg. 88.
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Looking forward to seeing what event will cause them to actually start working together, or events, even.
Usually when it's this bad it comes down to two options: They witness someone working alongside another that would normally never do that, but it's for the greater good. OR. Someone gets seriously hurt or worse because they couldn't work together and it snaps them back to reality that it's not all about themselves.
My thought is that someone, say, Nigel, suddenly becomes useful, but not by his own device. Note his dreams... and his senses are opening up. He picks up on something no else did, the situation works out better than it could have, one or more of them begins to see the possibilities / work with him...
My guess is that they learn about each other's traumas and that's what causes them to work together.
Wasn't that addressed in a previous comic... He has some serious family issues..
Tell them like it is, Chili! For the record, my character would thank her every day for the food. No matter how it tastes.
The problem is not the taste of chilli's food, The problem is that Chilli overspices her food to almost intolerable levels, and she does not actually keeps the others' tolerance to such spices in mind.
I mean, would YOU force someone with Lactose Intolerance to eat milk-based products from cows, even if you could run the risk of causing them severe harm? I would not.
(By the way, Lactose intolerance means you cannot consume dairy originating from Cows, as the milk is too rich for the subject to handle. Goat and sheep milk is fine though, as it is not so heavy.)
I mean, would YOU force someone with Lactose Intolerance to eat milk-based products from cows, even if you could run the risk of causing them severe harm? I would not.
(By the way, Lactose intolerance means you cannot consume dairy originating from Cows, as the milk is too rich for the subject to handle. Goat and sheep milk is fine though, as it is not so heavy.)
This. Chili's food is LITERALLY INEDIBLE.
Like, why does she NEED to put in an obscene amount of spice into her cooking?
Like, why does she NEED to put in an obscene amount of spice into her cooking?
Because she likes it apparently. Chilli seems to have an obsession with all things fire or spice related.
Funny thing is, I realize that if Nigel is suffering from long-term lack of sleep thanks to his untrained Future sight, it means Nigel cannot taste a damn thing, as his tastebuds have gone numb... Which maybe the only reason Nigel is able to even eat Chilli's food. All he can taste is some wet slop that burns the lining of his mouth... Which he likely thinks is just "hot soup" thanks to his blindness, rather than "Overspiced stew that can shear the skin off your mouth lining" (Not fun by the way).
Yeah, Loss of taste is a thing with long-term sleep depravition... Nigel likely gets enough sleep to not start hallucinating in the waking world, but not enough sleep to regain his rational thought processes or his sense of taste.
Funny thing is, I realize that if Nigel is suffering from long-term lack of sleep thanks to his untrained Future sight, it means Nigel cannot taste a damn thing, as his tastebuds have gone numb... Which maybe the only reason Nigel is able to even eat Chilli's food. All he can taste is some wet slop that burns the lining of his mouth... Which he likely thinks is just "hot soup" thanks to his blindness, rather than "Overspiced stew that can shear the skin off your mouth lining" (Not fun by the way).
Yeah, Loss of taste is a thing with long-term sleep depravition... Nigel likely gets enough sleep to not start hallucinating in the waking world, but not enough sleep to regain his rational thought processes or his sense of taste.
It's also very likely that, contrary to March's QA page, Nigel's routinely gone without food for long stretches of time, whenever he couldn't steal or scrounge or beggar a bite to eat. So unlike the rest of the group (with the excepting of Tristan) he's probably used to tolerating and stomaching whatever he can get. Regardless of how dubiously edible, or overly spicey, it is.
So he basically Delirious all the time?. His body also must feel like shit as well since insomnia induces the same body/mind changes that getting high on Datura would do. It might be making his foul personality even worse since his memory will be crap.
She needs to learn the recipe for:
Chilly Chili with Chile peppers from Chile
Chilly Chili with Chile peppers from Chile
It doesn't really matter how bad Chilli's cooking is, her point stands. They're all adults who should be able to care of themself, so if they don't like the food Chilli makes they should cook instead. But no, it's easier to bitch and moan and suffer for weeks then to take responsibility. Sure Nigel is blind and incompetent but the others have no excuse.
The kind of dairy you can have if you're lactose intolerant depends on the level of lactose in it, and all milk has lactose, goat and sheep included (and also humans--some babies are born with lactose intolerance that end up not being able to drink their own mother's breast milk, instead requiring specialized formula). Not sure where you heard it has anything to do with how "rich" milk is, because it doesn't. In fact, the lower the fat content of milk (and thus the less rich the milk is), the higher the lactose content. There are also plenty of dairy products with negligible amounts of lactose in them due to how they're made, such as fermented products (i.e. hard cheeses, yogurt), or in the case of butter, due to it being made entirely out of milkfat. There are also different levels of intolerance, some people have it worse than others.
All you did was stretch out what I said and add in a whole lot of extra data.
...And I AM aware that all kinds of Milk have a degree of Lactose, but so too do those 'Specialized Baby Formulas', contrary to what the ads like to claim. Matter of fact, Human Milk if memory serves, has the Second highest Lactose content in most medium-sized land-based mammalian species, only really being beaten out by the likes of Cows... So saying "Babies unable to handle Human milk" is actually a rather poor way of looking at it, as human milk is extremely high in lactose to began with.
It is why Sheep and Goat milk is provided. Their milk have a MUCH lower lactose content compared to human milk.
...And I AM aware that all kinds of Milk have a degree of Lactose, but so too do those 'Specialized Baby Formulas', contrary to what the ads like to claim. Matter of fact, Human Milk if memory serves, has the Second highest Lactose content in most medium-sized land-based mammalian species, only really being beaten out by the likes of Cows... So saying "Babies unable to handle Human milk" is actually a rather poor way of looking at it, as human milk is extremely high in lactose to began with.
It is why Sheep and Goat milk is provided. Their milk have a MUCH lower lactose content compared to human milk.
No, I wasn't just stretching out what you said. I'm not really sure why you're focusing so much on the baby formula thing, as that really was just a bit of info I threw in as an aside. It didn't have that much to do with my overall point, which was that it's not quite right to say that lactose-intolerant people can handle goat and sheep dairy products but not cow dairy products. That's not quite right, as the reality is much more nuanced than that. It is true that some people with mild lactose intolerance can handle goat milk, but not all, and people with moderate or severe intolerance are more likely to have issues with any non-fermented dairy, regardless of what domesticated animal it comes from (now, bears would be another story...you manage to milk a bear, and you got yourself some naturally low-lactose milk!)
Goat milk is about 4.2% lactose, cow milk ranges from 4.7% to 4.9%, while sheep milk ranges from 4.2% to 5.4%. Human milk is about 7%. (Fun Fact: Apparently Rhesus macaque monkeys have even more lactose in their milk than humans...but why do we even know stuff like this lol. Who's out there milking monkeys for science??)
I'm lactose intolerant and heavy cream, which is only about 3% lactose, can cause stomach upset for me, so goat milk would be out of the question. I can still do butter and cheese, at least!
Goat milk is about 4.2% lactose, cow milk ranges from 4.7% to 4.9%, while sheep milk ranges from 4.2% to 5.4%. Human milk is about 7%. (Fun Fact: Apparently Rhesus macaque monkeys have even more lactose in their milk than humans...but why do we even know stuff like this lol. Who's out there milking monkeys for science??)
I'm lactose intolerant and heavy cream, which is only about 3% lactose, can cause stomach upset for me, so goat milk would be out of the question. I can still do butter and cheese, at least!
Everyone learning to do some cooking of their own would be a legit smart idea, even if Chili actually was a good cook. Have some redundancy in their skills sets. Or have everyone able to pitch in for a bigger meal.
A fine point, especially with dwindling resources
But not workable in practice. Everyone carrying their own set of cooking utensils (after aquiring them from where?). Will they have seperate fires or wil they have to learn to take turns? As no-one has gotten past the banging heads stage I can't see that working. And pooling resources is the best way to make them last.
Chili needs to learn not to overspice (or just spice her serving)
The others could just help out with the cooking.
Chili needs to learn not to overspice (or just spice her serving)
The others could just help out with the cooking.
They don't have to have multiple sets of cookware in order for everyone to have some basic meal preparation skills, and possibly rotate through who gets stuck with cooking duty. Hell, most of the time, cooking can boil down to an open fire and putting edibles on a stick.
They clearly don't yet have the emotional maturirty to share utensils or cooking duties. Nor has anyone else shown any interest in cooking.
Everyone trying to cook their own stuff with one set of cooking utensils is just chaotic and fight in the making. Taking turns with one set will leave the last one washing up the pans close to midnight and utterly resentful.
Cooking stuff with a stick over a fire rules out a lot of foods its convenient to travel with (dried foods for instance). Foraging takes too much time and there is no indication anyone there has that knowledge.
And it all goes against the theme of this journey that they all have to learn to get along and help each other, eventually.
Everyone trying to cook their own stuff with one set of cooking utensils is just chaotic and fight in the making. Taking turns with one set will leave the last one washing up the pans close to midnight and utterly resentful.
Cooking stuff with a stick over a fire rules out a lot of foods its convenient to travel with (dried foods for instance). Foraging takes too much time and there is no indication anyone there has that knowledge.
And it all goes against the theme of this journey that they all have to learn to get along and help each other, eventually.
She's established to have a temper on her, and to be fair Leo is not doing himself any favors by making everyone upset with him. But yes, her attitude is no better than his. This I think is what happens when the characters all have good points, but their bad attitudes are getting in the way.
She seems to get along great with Tristan, so i read this as her getting a bit defensive about him as well.
Maybe also some lingering guilt about not being able to do more and help with the fight, so she gets extra defensive about Leo calling Tristan useless as well as the one thing she does contribute, which is cooking.
But yeah, she definitely has some growing to do as well and isn't helping the situation get better at all.
Maybe also some lingering guilt about not being able to do more and help with the fight, so she gets extra defensive about Leo calling Tristan useless as well as the one thing she does contribute, which is cooking.
But yeah, she definitely has some growing to do as well and isn't helping the situation get better at all.
Chili's gotta learn to tone down her spices, no use in being the team cook if nobody on the team can eat it . . .
True, especially since besides Chilli, Nigel is the only other one able to at least clean his bowl legitimately, and he is the one complaining the most about how it tastes... Which considering how little he actually sleeps thanks to his Future Sight/Nighmares, likely means Nigel's tastebuds are deader than dead.
The others usually toss away their food while Chilli isn't looking (Miralle revealed that in a patreon Q&A), or end up dropping it when their spice tolerance is exceeded.
The others usually toss away their food while Chilli isn't looking (Miralle revealed that in a patreon Q&A), or end up dropping it when their spice tolerance is exceeded.
Chili going Gordon Ramsey on them! 🍳🤬
Hopefully the next cook they run into isn't the one who ties them to a rotisserie spit and turns them over an open flame ... unless it leads to a rescue and reconciliation. ;)
Hopefully the next cook they run into isn't the one who ties them to a rotisserie spit and turns them over an open flame ... unless it leads to a rescue and reconciliation. ;)
I love how real those characters feel with their flaws. They all have to grow together instead of one of them pulling all the others. Here, on one side Chilli receives no help whatsoever when it comes to cooking and instead is bombarded with criticism, which is bound to be utterly upsetting. On the other hand, she seems to completely disregard other's remarks when it comes to the tremendous amount of spicies which is not the first time it occurs, and those remarks are perfectly valid.
Don't let someone cook for you if you don't appreciate their cooking, but don't propose a meal to someone when you know for a fact they won't enjoy it.
For their bond to grow, they all need to meet one another half-way and acknowledge their flaws instead of throwing everything at one another's face.
Don't let someone cook for you if you don't appreciate their cooking, but don't propose a meal to someone when you know for a fact they won't enjoy it.
For their bond to grow, they all need to meet one another half-way and acknowledge their flaws instead of throwing everything at one another's face.
Ladies and Gentlemen, i present you: The last hope of this dying world.... XD
Here's a fun perspective. It's not dying. It's just changing beyond the scope of what people are able to understand or accept, and they're fighting for the familiar and stable things.
I might have missed it, but... what will actually happen if Chaos completely covers the world? Will it end, or just... you know... become chaotic?
I might have missed it, but... what will actually happen if Chaos completely covers the world? Will it end, or just... you know... become chaotic?
I like your optimism draco... but its clear that chaos is not actually a positive force that enhances or improves the life of those that it infects, infact it seems that it kills the person and turns them into slavoring sadistic monstrosities that only seem to know how to slaughter those that are yet uncorrupted. Not only that it seems to have a very negative influence on everything from animals to people to plants.
Egh... this is perspective I'm offering, not saying it's good or bad. If you look back in the story, when the lord of chaos converted that guy to his side, he didn't turn him into some slavering monstrosity; he just sort of enlightened him to something that was so world shaking to him he just stopped fighting and joined. Yes, chaos is all encompassing; that's why it's a problem to those who haven't changed. But what happens *within* chaos? Most likely, it's incomprehensible to those of us who live the sort of lives we currently do, but I imagine it's not just pure entropy, or the lord f chaos would *also* be a mindless force of destruction.
The way I see it, there has to be some level of function within chaos' boundaries, and like I said, it's just beyond the scope of comprehension for people who aren't a part of it. I'm not saying it's good in any way, but even though the creatures it produces seem hellbent on destroying all life around it, they're still alive, mutated and twisted as they are from the perspective of people used to Order.
Another example or view is that in DnD, there are beings of absolute order who are also incomprehensible to people living in this material plane. They take on very basic shapes, like cube or orbs, and each person or thing serves one (or for the more powerful, important ones, several) very specific functions, and *nothing else*. That, if used to replace chaos in this story, would be just as confusing and undesirable. Imagine a world being reconstructed to work like the gears of some giant machine, where everyone and everything only does the one thing they are repurposed to do, and reshaped to only fit in the small space they're allotted. It would be equally creepy and people would probably both not understand it either, and try to fight against it.
The way I see it, there has to be some level of function within chaos' boundaries, and like I said, it's just beyond the scope of comprehension for people who aren't a part of it. I'm not saying it's good in any way, but even though the creatures it produces seem hellbent on destroying all life around it, they're still alive, mutated and twisted as they are from the perspective of people used to Order.
Another example or view is that in DnD, there are beings of absolute order who are also incomprehensible to people living in this material plane. They take on very basic shapes, like cube or orbs, and each person or thing serves one (or for the more powerful, important ones, several) very specific functions, and *nothing else*. That, if used to replace chaos in this story, would be just as confusing and undesirable. Imagine a world being reconstructed to work like the gears of some giant machine, where everyone and everything only does the one thing they are repurposed to do, and reshaped to only fit in the small space they're allotted. It would be equally creepy and people would probably both not understand it either, and try to fight against it.
That specific transformation seemed to be something special, cause i doubt that the lord of chaos himselfe is present for every conversion. And he really went out of his way to get that one guy. Maybe hes rising his own squad of knights? XD But we havent seen much behavior from the rest of the corrupted except for: "Kill everything that isnt corrupted on sight in suicidal fashion"
Furthermore "Chaos" in this case has its own agency in the form of ol skullface. For reasons that we dont know the details as of yet he is the driving force behind the corruption and destruction. Without him it would not happen. Ergo: the corruption he spreads is not something that occurs naturaly. And from the other gods we know that they are beings with free will so its not like he is forced or compelled by a even greater power to spread chaos.
Whatever tooth ol skullface has to pick with the rest of them its clear that he uses the chaos and corruption as a weapon to attack them at their roots: their believers.
So in short: chaos is not a natural occuring transformation, it is used by a singular entity as a weapon against the other gods. Its not a force of change but of corruption and destruction. It ruins everything it touches, takes away peoples free will and turns them into monsters. By its very nature it is absolutely unnatural and malevolant.
You know... like Darkest Dungeon 1 XD
Ol skullface is the ancestor confirmed! He dug to deep!
Furthermore "Chaos" in this case has its own agency in the form of ol skullface. For reasons that we dont know the details as of yet he is the driving force behind the corruption and destruction. Without him it would not happen. Ergo: the corruption he spreads is not something that occurs naturaly. And from the other gods we know that they are beings with free will so its not like he is forced or compelled by a even greater power to spread chaos.
Whatever tooth ol skullface has to pick with the rest of them its clear that he uses the chaos and corruption as a weapon to attack them at their roots: their believers.
So in short: chaos is not a natural occuring transformation, it is used by a singular entity as a weapon against the other gods. Its not a force of change but of corruption and destruction. It ruins everything it touches, takes away peoples free will and turns them into monsters. By its very nature it is absolutely unnatural and malevolant.
You know... like Darkest Dungeon 1 XD
Ol skullface is the ancestor confirmed! He dug to deep!
I get where you're coming from, but still don't know if I would describe Chaos as pure destruction. Sure, it's unnatural, but Nature isn't the sole driving force of all existence, is it? All unnatural means is 'not of nature' or 'against the laws of nature'.
Again, my thought is the main reason we all think what 'Ol' Skullface' is doing is evil is because it goes against anything we're familiar with. It's possible we're both wrong, and he's not even using Chaos, but Entropy, which decays and degrades everything (very much what appears to be happening to anyone infected). This would also make sense in that in applying it, it's causing almost immortal beings to die.
I guess we'll see though if there's anything more to what's going on than it appears.
Again, my thought is the main reason we all think what 'Ol' Skullface' is doing is evil is because it goes against anything we're familiar with. It's possible we're both wrong, and he's not even using Chaos, but Entropy, which decays and degrades everything (very much what appears to be happening to anyone infected). This would also make sense in that in applying it, it's causing almost immortal beings to die.
I guess we'll see though if there's anything more to what's going on than it appears.
Remember that the infected actually kill anyone they can get their claws on. In the most savage and brutal ways imaginable without showing mercy. There is nothing positive to be found about this "change". Infact as far as we know said change kills the personality and replaces it with a slavering monster... at that point the person is actually dead.. or atleast i hope so cause the alternative would be even more evil. (trapped inside your monstrously mutated body and having to helplessly watch as you butcher your family and friends is an absolute nightmare scenario)
I mean how many more children does skully have to murder with his monsters till you agree that "yeah.. maybe chaos is the baddy in this story"
I mean how many more children does skully have to murder with his monsters till you agree that "yeah.. maybe chaos is the baddy in this story"
Oh come on now! Did you just pull a 'Won't somebody think of the children?!' card on me, lol? Also, I think you might be going a tad bit overboard in your thinking, because if the infected killed any living thing they encountered, how are there any infected? To get infected, you have to encounter chaos while still alive and not die from it, so a few people must be doing this, unless Chaos is raising the dead as infected, and I again have to point to the warrior who gave up and went willingly with Skullface *while still alive* to suggest there's more than just 'Chaos is only about killing all living things and destruction'. There's more to it than that.
I never once suggested that Skullface wasn't a bad guy, of course he is. I'm more curious as to what his main goal is in doing this *other* than just killing people and destroying everything; I seriously doubt he wants to rule over a world full of infected mutant zombies and everything rotted or in ruins. Is he supposed to be Nurgle now?
Most villains have some kind of goal where in the end, they're in control, at the highest position of power, ruling over everything. Destruction is always a part of this, because they have to remove the people currently in control if they want to take that spot; in this case, it's the Tree of Life herself. It's possible his goal is just to destroy everything and see it all laid waste, but *again* I have to point to that warrior he brought to his side; why would he bother if his goal was to reduce everything to death and ruin?
I get that it's odd to see someone discussing that maybe there's more than is immediately visible going on, but this is still pretty early days as far as the main plot goes, despite all the pages we've seen. I honestly think about this as being still in the first book of 'The Hobbit' by Tolkien; the heroes are just starting out on their adventure, with a lot more ahead before then end. I don't think it's *that* extreme of a view to wonder what Skullface's end game is, or to wonder if he just has such a different view of what he's doing to everyone else's that it's basically incomprehensible.
I never once suggested that Skullface wasn't a bad guy, of course he is. I'm more curious as to what his main goal is in doing this *other* than just killing people and destroying everything; I seriously doubt he wants to rule over a world full of infected mutant zombies and everything rotted or in ruins. Is he supposed to be Nurgle now?
Most villains have some kind of goal where in the end, they're in control, at the highest position of power, ruling over everything. Destruction is always a part of this, because they have to remove the people currently in control if they want to take that spot; in this case, it's the Tree of Life herself. It's possible his goal is just to destroy everything and see it all laid waste, but *again* I have to point to that warrior he brought to his side; why would he bother if his goal was to reduce everything to death and ruin?
I get that it's odd to see someone discussing that maybe there's more than is immediately visible going on, but this is still pretty early days as far as the main plot goes, despite all the pages we've seen. I honestly think about this as being still in the first book of 'The Hobbit' by Tolkien; the heroes are just starting out on their adventure, with a lot more ahead before then end. I don't think it's *that* extreme of a view to wonder what Skullface's end game is, or to wonder if he just has such a different view of what he's doing to everyone else's that it's basically incomprehensible.
They could be a little more grateful, indeed... But to be totally honest, if food taste bad every single day, maybe it would be for the best to choose another one as cook... Also, wasn't Leo kinda good as baker or something? Maybe he would prove to be a gifted chef.
They have some point - what if next meal prepared by her will make them spend the whole next day ducking in bushes? Xp
A minor grammar error here, Zummeng!
When Chili argues with Leo, she should be saying "Until SOMEONE else is willing to make dinner", or "AS LONG AS no one else is willing".
When Chili argues with Leo, she should be saying "Until SOMEONE else is willing to make dinner", or "AS LONG AS no one else is willing".
......I have The strangest feeling nigel's going to be the Chef Ramsay of the group
...Once he gets his taste buds back.
Remember, Nigel's not been getting enough sleep, and has been constantly stressed out thanks to his untrained Future sight. His tastebuds are likely non-functional at this moment in time. (Would explain his ability to eat Chilli's food, his tongue is likely numb to it.)
Remember, Nigel's not been getting enough sleep, and has been constantly stressed out thanks to his untrained Future sight. His tastebuds are likely non-functional at this moment in time. (Would explain his ability to eat Chilli's food, his tongue is likely numb to it.)
I feel once our beloved monkey boy has his moment in snapping; the team will fully realize just how bad things are and hopefully fix their teamwork. Cause right now it really isn't looking good at all.
If *he* snaps, they'd better be dealing with one or more of them being close to death, since I don't think he would snap even then. He's been carrying that hostile cuss-bag for miles on end, getting assaulted and insulted the whole time, and hasn't said a word. Can you imagine what it would take to make him lash out at someone?
They're all under an enormous amount of stress, and ready to snap each other's heads off for the slightest provocation. Being attacked by monsters certainly didn't help.
Despite their bravado, they're scared.
Despite their bravado, they're scared.
I'm actually feeling like all this conflict within the party should begin to lead into some serious problems, not just them yelling at each other. For example... them yelling all the time luring in a group of chaos beasts. Them being distracted with each other causing someone to get lost, or some important item to go missing because everyone is so bent on fighting each other than they just forget it for a moment.
I'm at the point in this where I can see the friction points well enough to get how dysfunctional the groups is. It's starting to feel like now we need to see the consequences of all this dysfunction.
I'm at the point in this where I can see the friction points well enough to get how dysfunctional the groups is. It's starting to feel like now we need to see the consequences of all this dysfunction.
I get a lot of Avatar: The Last Airbender vibes from this group and I'm all for it. Like Katara/Toph feuding in, "The Chase."
It just makes me look forward to progress or growth in the team dynamic even more. :D
It just makes me look forward to progress or growth in the team dynamic even more. :D
Wow I don't want to side with Leo and Nigel regarding Chili's food, but they are right on this issue; not to mention that she should learn to chill out a little too (no pun intended). lol
Would agree with Chili if she wasn't so insensitive to people's tastes haha. She's not exactly picking a recipe that has everyone in mind. Spice can hurt people. Smh
Whoa! she's on fire! and it great :)
True her cooking may not be the best but the other should at lest pitch in and help with that instead of complaining.
True her cooking may not be the best but the other should at lest pitch in and help with that instead of complaining.
Chili is... not a nice person, nor a very caring one. She acts caring, but then she had no regard for what others actually like or want or can even stomach. Her application of medicine is so harsh that even Leo is shouting in pain, and then she abandons it the moment there is something else to do. Medicine and cooking are associated with being caring generally, and she is bad at both of them, and has disdain for anyone suggesting she do them in a manner preferable for others, or do them at all in the case of Leo asking about his injuries and her telling him to "sleep off" his battle wounds.
Hey! Things are finally looking up! No more having to sneak around her and finding anything edible in the bushes... I get the feeling she's the cook because she insisted right from the start, and got offended any time anyone tried to take over.
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