Quite an old piece that I found whilst transferring files from my old computer to my new lappie. I love the flexibility of chakats and taurs in general, and I figure swimming with 6 limbs would be a pretty interesting experience. I wonder how long they can hold their breath for :P
Sunkissed © Goldenphoenix
Sunkissed © Goldenphoenix
Category Artwork (Digital) / General Furry Art
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Ahh yes I forget this. Must make diving seriously good fun (and cheap!) :D
I must wonder, sure you have four lungs, but you also have 2-3 times as much bodymass to oxygenate. is your lung capacity to bodymass different from anthro? that's the key.
you must measure all variables, an increase in one may not mean anything if there's an increase in another.
{TL;DR example] Ants are super strong, but if you enlarged them to the size of a human, the physics would not work the same on them, they wouldn't even be able to walk, let alone lift huge boulders. so... meow. dun wanna shoot you down, I just want you to think about things with a sense of realism, at least as far as it can carry in a world of furries. I bend physics, only when I have to to get what I want. for example, powered flight is outright impossible, with most winged furries, using wingspan, wing anatomy/musculature, and compare that to bodysize. in almost EVERY case, wings are too small, and in most cases, too under muscled to support the creature's weight. but rather than take this into account, and make wings suitably structured, and end up throwing off the overall look of a creature, I happily bend the rules to make my furry have wings that work just fine, even if they're too small. I push the envelope, yes, but I always facepalm when other furs just trample all over it. look at MLP, you take an equine and give her wings that would work on say...an eagle...and somehow she flies like a fighter pilot! an eagle weighs about 12-20 lbs. or even worse, those dragon tails, fatty dragon with wings that belong on a pidgeon!
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you must measure all variables, an increase in one may not mean anything if there's an increase in another.
{TL;DR example] Ants are super strong, but if you enlarged them to the size of a human, the physics would not work the same on them, they wouldn't even be able to walk, let alone lift huge boulders. so... meow. dun wanna shoot you down, I just want you to think about things with a sense of realism, at least as far as it can carry in a world of furries. I bend physics, only when I have to to get what I want. for example, powered flight is outright impossible, with most winged furries, using wingspan, wing anatomy/musculature, and compare that to bodysize. in almost EVERY case, wings are too small, and in most cases, too under muscled to support the creature's weight. but rather than take this into account, and make wings suitably structured, and end up throwing off the overall look of a creature, I happily bend the rules to make my furry have wings that work just fine, even if they're too small. I push the envelope, yes, but I always facepalm when other furs just trample all over it. look at MLP, you take an equine and give her wings that would work on say...an eagle...and somehow she flies like a fighter pilot! an eagle weighs about 12-20 lbs. or even worse, those dragon tails, fatty dragon with wings that belong on a pidgeon!
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Ohh I know what you mean and yes we also have several organs double and a larger body and all
and yes we need a bit more oxygen than a human.
In the case of diving we neverless can dive a bit longer than your average human. If a trained chakat dives shi can stay around 10 minutes under water. which is a lot longer than a trained human.
and yes we need a bit more oxygen than a human.
In the case of diving we neverless can dive a bit longer than your average human. If a trained chakat dives shi can stay around 10 minutes under water. which is a lot longer than a trained human.
I love how chakats say things about their breed, with such conviction, and authority, rather than a sense of speculation, and educated guessing. for what it's worth, I'm not sure what the upper limits for human lung capacity is, internet being as unreliable as ever, I've found various sources giving records from 7 minutes up to about Guinness world record's 22 minutes exactly. whether guinness is reliable enough, I can't say.
but then...human AVERAGES is much much lower, 2-4 minutes is about it. but then, can you say with absolute certainty that a chakat has a static apnea limit of 10 minutes? or is it just...let's bend physics because we're furries, and we love to stroke our egos. *shrugs*
I hope I'm not coming off as accusing, or trying to insult you, people never like their beliefs challenged, even if it's just for something to talk about, and ponder.
*hugs hir*
but then...human AVERAGES is much much lower, 2-4 minutes is about it. but then, can you say with absolute certainty that a chakat has a static apnea limit of 10 minutes? or is it just...let's bend physics because we're furries, and we love to stroke our egos. *shrugs*
I hope I'm not coming off as accusing, or trying to insult you, people never like their beliefs challenged, even if it's just for something to talk about, and ponder.
*hugs hir*
No problem here you are not accusing or insulting ^^
and why I say around 10 minutes ? it´s a educated guess. I am a diver myself in RL.
A not trained Chakat can only stay under water for around 4 minutes.And no not beding the physics just looking at it from a divers experience ^^
and why I say around 10 minutes ? it´s a educated guess. I am a diver myself in RL.
A not trained Chakat can only stay under water for around 4 minutes.And no not beding the physics just looking at it from a divers experience ^^
a diver eh? dive for what? *nosenoses* how long can you personally stay under for? I was on a swimteam when I was younger, I think I was only able to do about 3 minutes, but static apnea is not always the same as high energy swimming, but even so, I was able to swim underwater the length of an olympic pool, anyway.
I can stay around for 4 to 5 minutes under water and I dive for the fun of it.
as a diver you train to have greater lungvolumen and we sometimes have to wear our heavy leadbelts
as a diver you train to have greater lungvolumen and we sometimes have to wear our heavy leadbelts
yes, Diving weights are a good thing, after all, if you don't have to spend as much energy staying under water, or fighting bouyancy, the less oxygen is wasted. 4-5 is pretty darn good, too.
*hugs on hir a bit, and flumps against. "meow."
*hugs on hir a bit, and flumps against. "meow."
Christ would I love to get into apnea diving! Here in the UK it's pretty tough because most of the year you can't even do regular scuba without a drysuit :( There are some fun wrecks around though ^^
Here we have several artificial lakes where I dive in Scuba gear sometimes
if i may interject
http://www.chakatsden.com/chakat/Intro.html
i didn't see anything specific to how long a chakat can hold its breath
but chakats were created to be a lot more efficient then humans and an improvement in almost every way
so personally i think 10 minutes is a pretty accurate guess
i know this conversation took place a little while back but i just felt like giving my two cents
sooo...
there
http://www.chakatsden.com/chakat/Intro.html
i didn't see anything specific to how long a chakat can hold its breath
but chakats were created to be a lot more efficient then humans and an improvement in almost every way
so personally i think 10 minutes is a pretty accurate guess
i know this conversation took place a little while back but i just felt like giving my two cents
sooo...
there
I'm someone who spends a pretty fair amount of time thinking about taur biology and specs and bouncing thoughts off of a couple of other people. Weight ratio and the ability to keep the bloodstream oxygenated (no point in big lungs if the extremities are too far away from them for efficient oxygenation) are vital of course. I don't think it's been specifically addressed in the Chakat Universe except for some specific breeds of smaller taurs, but I'd bet that some of the adaptations that real aquatic mammals have were built into chakats, resulting in an animal that can hold its breath longer than a human or big cat*, but not as long as a dolphin or otter. After all, the only reason that humans can't hold their breath for very long without intense training is that primates never had to select for the relevant traits. But chakats being designed animals...
There are some great takedowns of giant ants (and of tiny humans) by biologists and physicists online. I bet you've seen them, but if not, do some Googling. They're really good reads.
*but who knows how long a big cat can dive? :P I'm guessing not long, since they're built for bursts of activity, but they don't know how to hold their breath anyway.
There are some great takedowns of giant ants (and of tiny humans) by biologists and physicists online. I bet you've seen them, but if not, do some Googling. They're really good reads.
*but who knows how long a big cat can dive? :P I'm guessing not long, since they're built for bursts of activity, but they don't know how to hold their breath anyway.
Hmmm... Interesting qestion.
If they don't move to much while underwater I imagine they can stay down for quite some time. Especially considering that the Starwalker Foxtaur Breed, the Starwalkers, can survive in the vacuum of space for a short time.
If they moove, I don't know. Depends on how much more air a body needs for movememt.
Gorgeous picture.
If they don't move to much while underwater I imagine they can stay down for quite some time. Especially considering that the Starwalker Foxtaur Breed, the Starwalkers, can survive in the vacuum of space for a short time.
If they moove, I don't know. Depends on how much more air a body needs for movememt.
Gorgeous picture.
So detailed. Amazing work as always Gold, and keep it up. A art publisher has to give you a job, y'know ;)
just keep swimming just keep swimming just keep swimming swimming what do we do we swim swim swim
It's a truly beautiful picture! Bet lots of folks think chakats don't like swimming, like house cats. They are sure wrong!
I really don't care for taurs; their anatomy is awkward and dysfunctional to me. But this, this is beautiful. There's fluid movement and beautiful lighting- great job.
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